the nazis. >> talk about the period when people prevailed upon you to make an apology. i can understand the pressure. you know, if somebody says to you, look, if you say this, it will all go away, describe what you were thinking. >> there was that. that was the carrot if you like. there was also the stick, which is that a lot of people in the british media and public spokespeople, commentators in the newspapers and politicians were essentially saying, you broke this, you fix it. so i allowed myself to be suckered into this compromise, you know, in which i was supposed to make some declaration of adherence to the islamic faith, which i did, and it wasn't true, first off, because i've never been a religious person. i wasn't then. i'm not now. so it was the one time, i think, that i really agreed to, you know, sort of push myself into a position of telling a lie. for a good motive, to try and solve the problem.